just_n_examiner ([info]just_n_examiner) wrote,
@ 2008-04-03 19:53:00
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Changes in USPTO Employment Application Process
The process for submitting an employment application with the Office now has a bit more flexibility.

Effective March 31st, the USPTO accepts employment applications via the following methods:


  • Online*
  • E-mail*
  • Fax*
  • Mail or Overnight Mail
  • Hand Delivery


Applicants must submit their application materials, including required documents, on or before the closing date of the vacancy announcement. Applications mailed to the Office must be received by 5PM of the closing date of the vacancy announcement and not merely postmarked by the deadline.

Applications received online, by e-mail, or fax must be received by 11:59 PM of the closing date. Applications received after the closing date of the vacancy announcement will not be accepted. Procedures regarding hand delivery remain unchanged.

Applicants should read the vacancy announcement in its entirety, and follow the procedures for submitting their application in a timely manner. Each vacancy announcement will contain contact information in case anyone has questions.


*Applicants applying online, via e-mail or fax should refer to the links in the vacancy announcement for the online application process, e-mail address, and the fax number of where to submit any required documents.

For more information, see the USPTO employment webpage.


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Run Away, Run Away!
(Anonymous)
2008-04-04 02:31 am UTC (link)
Put up another Monty Python clip. Use this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
Run away, run away!

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-04 04:01 am UTC (link)
Out of curiosity, how much time usually passes between submitting your materials (and having the Application Manager folks deem it "complete") and the PTO making a decision on your application?

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-04 02:31 pm UTC (link)
the entire process from me contacting the PTO to getting an offer was about 2-3 months.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-04 02:47 pm UTC (link)
for me it was one month from application to formal offer... but I was very proactive and aggressive (kept calling HR every other day after the interviewing SPE told me he intended to hire me)

-MM

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my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 05:10 am UTC (link)
month 0: on campus interview
month 1: heard back from tech center 2100 group #1
month 2: heard back from tech center 2100 group #2
month 5: submitted an sf-85 form
month 6: submitted an sf-85 form (hr lost the first one)
month 9: started at pto and filled out another sf-85 (hr lost the first two)
month 15: resigned & happy

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 02:32 pm UTC (link)
So you quit before even entering your AU? Should've at least given it a chance; if you happen to get a good SPE the job can be incredibly easy!

If you'd resigned at month 17, I'd say you got a bad SPE, in which case I'd fully support bailing.

-MM

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 08:35 pm UTC (link)
"So you quit before even entering your AU? Should've at least given it a chance; if you happen to get a good SPE the job can be incredibly easy!

If you'd resigned at month 17, I'd say you got a bad SPE, in which case I'd fully support bailing.

-MM"

Good SPEs can be moved and replaced by bad SPEs. Happens all the time when a Director wants to bring in a gunslinger to change things (read: production), in a unit.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 02:24 pm UTC (link)
That's why I'm aiming to get my stamp as quickly as humanly possible.

-MM

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 03:21 pm UTC (link)
"That's why I'm aiming to get my stamp as quickly as humanly possible.

-MM"

I had mine. That doesn't really save you from a manager who knows just little enough that they drive all the worker bees away. Although, I guess it's easier to move out of examining once you get your stamp. I just couldn't live with myself on that side of the fence.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 03:04 am UTC (link)
5 of my other lab mates (14 original members) quit within 12 months of the PTA. Glad I left when I did, MM.


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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 02:22 pm UTC (link)
My lab is a real outlier, but we started with 14 and are down to 4. (That was about at the end of the first year that we lost our last person.) However, over the entire academy class, our lab lost more than the entire rest of the labs put together. (~115 people in the class)

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 05:04 pm UTC (link)
As an "older" examiner, I never went through the PTA. What is it about the PTA that is causing so many attrits? Production? Trainers/SPEs with poor people skills? A combination?
I've had neglectful SPEs and vindictive trainers, but I've also worked with some really good people. I agree that it is the luck of the draw on SPEs/trainers that makes a big difference as to whether examiners stay or leave.
My question for the board is what do you think can be done about SPEs/trainers who drive people away? Do these same people do this to multiple classes? If they are a big cause of attrition, especially out of the PTA, you would think someone in upper management would want to know about it? Has anyone tried to tell upper management that this is part of what is wrong with the PTA?

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 05:09 pm UTC (link)
From what I've seen, bad SPEs get promoted to Director.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 05:21 pm UTC (link)
I went through the PTA, and had no problems. I had a great trainer. There could be many more reasons new hires are leaving. First, 90%-100% of the academy are recruits. So when PTO managers travel around recruting examiners they explain how great the job is, and in many ways it is. I went to one of these recruitments in NY. The thing to remember is a lot of engineers are being hired. I would think that most of them would like to be working in the industry developing products. When they get to the PTO and realize they are just reading and searching all day, they may realize this is not what they want to do.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-09 04:36 am UTC (link)
Having been out of the PTA for about 2 months now and being nearly 10 years older than most of the new examiners in my class, I would have to say the reason most quit is that they can not handle the job when "real" production kicks in. Too many of these "kids" do not seem to take the lecture-type training all that seriously - many treated it much as I imagine they treated course during their senior year of college that had nothing to do with their major but they had to take to graduate. Lots and lots of texting when they should be paying attention. Examining, in my opinion, is not an assignment that can be crammed at the last minute. I taught for two years at a 4-yr. university before coming to the PTO, an in every section of the general studies version of chemistry I'd always have a portion of the class whose bodies were there, but that's about it. Not that it is a vast majority of people that fall in to this category in the PTA, but I would say the attrition is not nearly all to be blamed on SPE trainers and the PTA curriculum- some of the fault is on those who the do the hiring and those who are hired.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-09 02:09 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like a certain 6,000th examiner who likes to post over at patently-o.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-09 06:51 pm UTC (link)
no, 6k sounds much much younger than that.

-MM

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-10 01:07 pm UTC (link)
(I'm the OP about leaving the PTA)

Our SPE had the "reject everything" mentality to the extreme. Two of my labmates ended up with him as their SPE in the AU, and sure enough, 1.5 years later both of them still had 0 allowed cases.

When it got embarrassing to put my name (by virtue of ridiculous "stretching") of an office action, I knew I had to leave. I want my word to mean something.

While I was in the PTA, the PTA management itself changed 3 times. THREE times in six months. How successful can you expect a program to be under such unstable regimes?

No idea on what to do about the SPE. I'd hate to see him in the PTA again, however, he's great preparation for the worst case scenario and saved me a lot of time there.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-10 02:03 pm UTC (link)
I'll tell what that, and every other SPE needs to do. Examine full time. Alternatively, fire and blackball their dishonest asses

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Re: stretching the art
(Anonymous)
2008-04-10 02:06 pm UTC (link)
>When it got embarrassing to put my name (by virtue of ridiculous "stretching") of an office action, I knew I had to leave. I want my word to mean something.

I wish more examiners had that embarrassed feeling from time to time. I get more rejections based on the most absurd reading of either the claim or the art. I appreciate that the office uses "broadest reasonable interpretation" but I'd like to see that second word get a bit more prominence in the rejections.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-18 02:33 am UTC (link)
I applaud your attitude. I had a "reject everything" SPE for a while, I hated putting my name on some actions, but eventually he was demoted and then I had a much better time.

Then I got my stamp, and I was able to do what I thought was right all the time...and I was always able to back up my decisions with solid reasoning so I never worried much about quality review, even when they "got" me I was able to rebut their findings. Now I am at a different job at the PTO and much happier...

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-04-10 03:16 pm UTC (link)
Most primaries are quite happy working at home thank you very much. I don't think there is a very large pool of potential trainers.

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Re: my timeline...
(Anonymous)
2008-06-29 01:59 pm UTC (link)
In my experience, there are lots of potential trainers, because lots of people want to be paid as a GS-15 and not examine (ie, become SPE's) and trainers are the way to a SPE job.

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Is Dudas Leaving Very Soon??
(Anonymous)
2008-04-23 01:14 pm UTC (link)
Can any examiner provide more evidence supporting or confirming this rumor released by Greg Aharonian? Please respond quickly because I have a 200 year old bottle of the rarest wine I would like to uncork for this occasion.

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Working at the PTO
(Anonymous)
2008-04-27 09:55 pm UTC (link)
The biggest trouble I had working at the PTO was living under the possibility I might not get along with a Supervisor, and then they would turn around and try to make it so I would be denied a registration number. I saw it happen to some people, including one I knew, and I came to the conclusion that it was not worth ruining the chance of my ever becoming a Patent Attorney just so that I could have that unrewarding job.

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(Anonymous)
2008-05-29 10:53 pm UTC (link)
70% of examiners quit in their first 5 years.

Stay away.

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(Anonymous)
2008-07-23 10:59 am UTC (link)
What do you recommend doing to be part of the remaining 30% who stick with it?

Where do those that quit go?

Are many excepted appointment employees denied security clearance?

Recently I was arrested for possession of marijuana; however the case was dismissed due to the officer’s failure to read my friend his Miranda rights. Years ago I also made the mistake of hacking a roommate’s email and during high school I helped to counterfeit money. What do you think my odds are of passing the month long background check?

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