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Pendency Problems
There was a semi-interesting article in January's JPTOS about how one might go about addressing the pendency problems at the Office.

In short, the author proposed the following:

The USPTO should lessen quality criteria that require review of a primary examiner's office actions, because the resulting lower allowance rate necessarily increases pendency. Basically, the author's point is that (1) resources (examiners) are being diverted away from examining and to reviewing other examiner's actions, and (2) the reviews are slowing the rate of allowances and thus prolonging prosecution (and so increasing pendency).

I've got problems with this proposal. I don't know the exact number of examiners working in QA, but I'd be surprised if it is that significant (although I could be wrong). The author believes that pendency and quality are necessarily inversely related, which is true to a certain extent, but I hesitate to agree that it's a good idea to neglect one to benefit the other. The Office has always had to strike a balance between responding to critics who point out the shortcomings in the quality of examination and critics of the time it takes to get a patent issued.

Make changes, such as making law school tuition benefits available after only one year at the Office (instead of the current two years), that will help with examiner retention, since losing examiners exacerbates pendency problems.

Examiner retention would certainly go a long way towards helping with pendency. More senior examiners obviously produce more than newer examiners, so it is in everyone's interest to try to keep examiners around the Office long enough to become more senior examiners. There are probably more effective ways to address this problem than changing law school tuition benefits, though. For me, job satisfaction goes a long way, which means give me the tools and the time to do my job the way it should be done, and I'm happy.

Change the production system to encourage examiners to promptly process amendments by awarding examiners one-half count for the first amendment processed per balanced disposal, meaning that a balanced disposal would amount to 2.5 counts instead of the current 2.

I've never had a whole lot of problems motivating myself to do amendments, especially given the workflow implications of letting amendments slide. There has been talk around the blogs of basing production on actions per balanced disposal, which might be a step in the right direction. I personally think that perhaps actions per ultimate disposal (meaning either final abandonment, examiner's answer or patent issue) might work even better.

Make it easier for examiners to be promoted to a GS-15 examining position (as opposed to a management position). This would keep more examiners in high-production positions, instead of removing them from examining altogether.

Personally, I'm not sure how well this would work. Sure, it would be nice for examiners to have easier access to a GS-15 examining position. Currently, you need to fulfill some fairly specific requirements (some of which involve documenting graduate degree-level work) in order to attain a GS-15 examining position. If I remember correctly, there are three 'flavors' of GS-15 positions: generalist, expert, and a third which I don't remember off the top of my head. One of them allows the examiner to keep their current GS-14 production level, but the other two require even higher production.

Truthfully, I don't think it would be a worthwhile trade off for me. Production requirements are onerous enough where I am, and more money wouldn't make higher production requirements worth it.

Also, from the people I've spoken with, I believe that the path to SPE-dom is seen much more as an escape from the production system than it is a path to a GS-15 salary. It is unlikely (my opinion only) that easier attainment of a GS-15 examining position will be an attractive alternative to those primaries who are applying for SPE positions.

Change the current structure of art units to include 25-30 examiners each (instead of the current 10-20). The rationale here is that the current crop of new examiners are going through eight months of training and so should require less supervision when they are released to their art units, so one SPE should be able to manage more of them. This would keep more primary examiners examining instead of moving to SPE positions.

Tough one here. I don't disagree with the sentiment to go with fewer management positions to keep more primaries in the examining corps. I do see, though, how stretched the SPEs currently seem to be, and wonder how well this idea would work. It would be likely, I believe, that were this strategy to be adopted, then even more of the direct supervisory functions of the SPEs (specifically, supervising newer examiners) would be passed along to primaries, which would presumably somewhat offset the productivity gains of keeping more primaries examining instead of moving to management.

Change the way applications are distributed to prevent examiners from cherry-picking easy cases and putting off examining the tougher applications.

This has never been a real problem to my experience. There was a time when some SPEs would routinely docket hundreds of applications to examiners at a time, but I haven't seen that anytime recently. Examiners are also 'encouraged' to pick up their oldest case first (In fact the MPEP says that it is required, I believe) when starting a new application. To help encourage them, each examiner is tracked as to which application on their docket is the oldest one yet to be taken up for examination, and how long it has been their oldest case. It is the SPE's job to monitor this and to make sure that the examiners are not putting off working on an old application just because it might be a tough one.

Of course, just to be a contrarian, I'd point out that cherry-picking cases would actually decrease pendency, because if examiners all worked on the easiest cases first, they'd presumably get disposed of quicker, and so overall pendency would be reduced more so than if we worked on all of the tougher and presumably more time consuming applications first.

The PTO should open satellite offices that are geographically distributed across the country.

This proposal is bandied about every so often. Can't say that I see any down side to this. With everything going to electronic record-keeping these days, it seems like a practical plan, and would certainly expand the pool of candidates for examiner positions. There would be challenges, but perhaps not insurmountable ones.

Limit continuations and claims. This would allow examiners to perform examination more quickly (fewer claims) and to process more new applications (fewer RCEs to examine).

Well, this one has been hashed over ad nauseam, and no doubt will be again when the final decision on the new rules is finally handed down. I believe everyone's positions have pretty much been made clear. No need to go into it again right now.


So, those are the proposals. Personally, I think that if I had to pick a single issue to address in order to decrease pendency, I'd concentrate on examiner retention (although not necessarily through the changes to the law school tuition reimbursement program that the author proposed). I'm not sure what specific actions I'd propose, other than I believe that it would need to address examiners satisfaction with the job they do (and that is a completely separate issue from salary). If you want to retain examiners, they need to be happy doing what they are doing. When they are not, they leave.


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Law school reimbursement
(Anonymous)
2008-03-27 11:57 pm UTC (link)
"Make changes, such as making law school tuition benefits available after only one year at the Office (instead of the current two years), that will help with examiner retention, since losing examiners exacerbates pendency problems."

I thought the USPTO has already has or was in the process of eliminating the law school tuition reimbursement. However, I doubt this has an effect on the arts experiencing the highest attrition rates, since inability to handle production requirements or bureaucratic nonsense doesn't give much free time to devote to extra schooling......

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Re: Law school reimbursement
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 03:11 am UTC (link)
No no no. No law school. After KSR, there will be fewer and fewer patents issued. Eventually, filings will take a nose dive in the US. I predict that we will not need new attorneys at the same rate as the old days. Let's pull the ladder up and keep them there to suffer it out. After all, they helped to create this problem, and when our technology lead begins to slip away, I would like to see them still presiding over the wonderful quality-conscious PTO.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 12:41 am UTC (link)
I like the pendency. Along with letting applicant file unlimited continuations and RCE's, I see it as job security.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 03:13 am UTC (link)
I completely agree that the focus needs to be on job satisfaction.

Take my example. I routinely bill 2000+ examining hours per year, have a 100% affirmance rate at the BPAI, my actions per BD are always in the low 2s, and I just got my bronze medal. Not once in my time at the office has my SPE told me that I did a good job on *anything*. Never.

I just accepted a position as an agent. Factoring in the government benefits the PTO pays *much* more money, but I don't care. The PTO needs to learn to treat their best employees with the respect they deserve, or they will lose them.

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LEAVE NOW! Soon the window is closing
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 03:20 am UTC (link)
I feel your pain bud. Leave that crap hole and you will be happier. It takes about 6 to 7 years to learn the business out here (I was a primary just like you!). Try to learn as much as you can about international practice. That is the niche I am trying to carve out now (US practice is a very very shitty experience now - I can't stand it any more).

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My SPE complimented me... once... well, almost.
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 12:05 pm UTC (link)
Like you, I never once received a compliment from my SPE, though I was always over 100% at the end of the quarter and reached every promotion on time up to GS-13 when I left).

The closest he ever came was after a "chat" in which he explained to me how he needed me to be at 118% (for his award).... I was already doing VOT and knew I would never produce like his "stellar" 160%+ producers. He told me e.g. claims could be examined without reading the whole specification (which I always was in the habit of doing, even for 250-pagers).

After his pitch, I perhaps stubbornly responded, "But L**, I want to do a quality job!"

To which he replied, "You don't have a problem with quality!!", as he stormed out of my office.

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Examiner Retention
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 07:03 am UTC (link)
Just want to say thank you for your thoughtful post. I am an attorney and have not worked at the PTO. Since you indicate that "examiner retention" should be top priority, my next question is what areas have the most bearing on examiner retention?

One commenter suggests things as simple as an occasional "thank you" for a job well done. But, anyone have any other thoughts? Of course, this likely would vary greatly from person to person... but I figure it's worth asking.

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Re: Examiner Retention
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 01:16 pm UTC (link)
Elimination of the unneeded SPE position would be a great start. These people do not have the capacity to manage, and the duties they actually perform can be accomplished well by high school graduates.

Another way to deal with an examiner retention problem is a healthy dose of raisin bran every morning.

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Re: Examiner Retention
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 02:45 pm UTC (link)
Having finished just over a year at the PTO now, and having recently had a reunion with my training academy classmates, I can say that the major difference between myself (a happy examiner), and my friends (unhappy examiners) is that I have a SPE and primary who treat me like an adult and allow me to exercise judgement as to what is allowable and what is not. Most of my former classmates are not allowed to allow ANYTHING, ever. The incredible production burden this places on these junior examiners notwithstanding, this environment leads them to feel very unimportant while at the same time doing lots of work. The natural emotional correlation is to begin feeling that one is doing lots of unimportant work. Then there's the matter of the distaste for putting together BS rejections that one doesn't actually believe in, simply because you're not allowed to allow the case.

Personally, I think it's a matter of moral courage for the SPEs... It's clear they don't want to have their name signed to a "bad" patent, but if they don't trust their junior examiners to issue good patents, it's their job to train these junior examiners until they CAN be trusted. If they don't think their junior examiners need more training, they need to man up and sign their name to their juniors' work.

Leadership without confidence results in followers without enthusiasm.

-MM

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Re: Examiner Retention
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 03:33 pm UTC (link)
"Just want to say thank you for your thoughtful post. I am an attorney and have not worked at the PTO. Since you indicate that "examiner retention" should be top priority, my next question is what areas have the most bearing on examiner retention?"

#1 from my experience and every single person that I ever knew at the USPTO is that objectively, no one can tell you that they do sufficient quality in the time they are given. Sure, many buck up and just say "That's the system." Long term effects though are that you feel like you're working on the Titanic and you know it's going to hit an iceberg. This is effective management and leadership 101. You certainly can motivate your employees by Fear (i.e., fear of losing job for not being able to make production) but unless that production system is reasonable, you're going to have a very high attrition rate. That is what we are seeing. High attrition due to a jaw-dropping, ridiculous system that is three decades out of date technology wise.

*Note: People like JPE may say they can meet production fine, but even his own words are "onerous" production levels at GS-14, as a reason for GS-15 not being a viable solution.

"One commenter suggests things as simple as an occasional "thank you" for a job well done. But, anyone have any other thoughts? Of course, this likely would vary greatly from person to person... but I figure it's worth asking."

Simple gratitude goes a long way, but ultimately the entire culture of the USPTO needs to change from one where the entire goal is to make production, to one where the goal is to implement long-term focus on quality over quantity, so that people feel like they are actually working at a place that does good work. This is why I left. This is why every single person I know that still works at the USPTO is unhappy (whether they are honest and actually literally say "I am unhappy", or whether they are not so forthcoming like JPE and say "Sure, production is reasonable, it's just ONEROUS!")

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 12:36 pm UTC (link)
"The PTO should open satellite offices that are geographically distributed across the country."

What's the point in spending money on satellite offices when all the PTO has to do is eliminate the one hour examiners have to come in to the office. Any examiner can then live where ever they want and never go into any office. I'm hotelling now and I tell you there is no reason to go into the office at all, all functions can be handled remotely. I go in to the office, watch the clock until the hour is up and go home and resume my job. Going into the office is an unnecessary burden.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Working at home is like being in solitary confinement. Many people need human interaction.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-31 08:41 pm UTC (link)
The USPTO mostly recruits from east coast schools. If they opened a satellite office on the west coast they could hire qualified candidates that wouldn't have otherwise considered relocating. Heck the LA area alone has 10+ huge schools.

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Problem will go get worse
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 03:59 pm UTC (link)
Pendency and examiner retention are problems that go hand-in-hand. If you retain examiners, then more examining gets done and pendency improves. Under the present system, however, it is very difficult to retain examiners. The people who manage them - SPEs & directors, are almost all products of a by gone era of easier times. Paper application files were much friendlier to examination, case law was less extensive and the search tools were weaker so it was much harder for a QA type to play "gotcha". These management types have no concept of how difficult it is now to for an assistant examiner to progress professionally or how difficult it is for a primary to maintain high production year in and year out. The problem is complicated by the fact that most management types at PTO are unscruplous and incompetent. They are promoted based on how well they gamed the system, not for being particularly astute or intelligent. It's easier for a SPE/director to whip an examiner like a rented mule, then it is advocate for updated production standards. Every year the directors' performance goals are reevaluated, but examiners' goals have never been updated since the 1970s. Only an unscrupulous self promoter would permit that.

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Re: Problem will go get worse
(Anonymous)
2008-03-28 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Best post ever!

JohnG

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Re: Problem will go get worse - (Anonymous), 2008-03-28 06:30 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Problem will go get worse
(Anonymous)
2008-03-29 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Clearly you know absolutely NOTHING about QR (aka OPQA).

Firstly, QR gets only an average of 3.5 hours to review a case. That is NOT 3.5 hours to search the case. That is 3.5 hours to read the claims, rejections (current or previous), responses (if any), review the searches in the case, and as much of the spec as needed. And THEN search the case if it looks like the examiner may have missed something based on what you have reviewed. (Only about 20% of the cases "require" an search to be performed by the reviewer, though they can search more if they deem it necessary.) Oh, and they reviewers are on a flat goal, so no "other time" to help your production, either.

If an examiner screwed up SO bad that a reviewer can find good art that was missed by the examiner in the time they get allocated, the examiner deserves the error. And, of course, the examiner has their SPE, TQAS, and directors to fight for them against QR for any allowance error (and most IPR errors).

On top of all that, an average examiner gets maybe 1-2 cases pulled by QR a year. If they are realllly unlucky they may max out at 4. That's out of a couple of hundred actions a year for an average examiner.

Oh, and you comment about the SPE/directors goals getting readjusted every year. You are right that they get adjusted. Normally to a higher, more difficult-to-meet standard. Acceptable error rates keep going down. Production requirements keep going up. And, most of these "goals" are not even set by the 10th floor until the 2nd or 3rd quarter of the year. How would you like it if you didn't know what your production requirement for the FY was going to be until March??

So, next time, actually talk about things that you know about. I do because I was there.



MVS

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Actual Solution
(Anonymous)
2008-03-30 08:57 pm UTC (link)
The actual solution will be to partially (eventually completely) automate the examination process. Most examiners primarily use text searching anyway (and sometimes not very well). Latent semantic analysis is coming to the point where automated software will be better than humans at text searching and eventually new methods of pattern recognition will allow AI bots to perform image searching as well. While automation will probably not have 100% reliability when testing patent claims for compliance with the statutes of 35 USC the reliability will likely be better (and more predictable) than that which the current system is producing and those patents that are missed will be caught in post-grant review by bloggers such as myself (see http://tinytechip.blogspot.com/ ) or by projects similar to peer-to-patent ( http://www.peertopatent.org/ )

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Re: Actual "Solution"
(Anonymous)
2008-03-30 11:16 pm UTC (link)
Heh, reminds me of 2005/0114168 (10/996,141) the "Method and System for Granting patents."

If the examination process were ever automated to the point where we examiners were made made redundant, I'd wager dollars to donuts that a majority of attorneys would be begging to reinstate flesh and blood examiners before too long. Why? Methinks it would be nearly impossible for even the cleverest of attorneys to outwit an Exam-Bot (think Kasparov vs. Deep Blue) without accepting severely narrowed claims.

At least until the prosecution side is automated...


-srk

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Re: Actual Solution
(Anonymous)
2008-03-31 12:35 am UTC (link)
yeah, we have that, it's called PLUS... and it rather sucks...

-MM

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Re: Actual Solution
(Anonymous)
2008-03-31 03:54 am UTC (link)
Applicants are entitled to be their own lexicographer. If lawyers can come up with broad terms that examiners can't understand, then what chance does HAL9000 have?

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Re: Actual Solution - (Anonymous), 2008-03-31 06:53 pm UTC (Expand)
Quality and pendency
(Anonymous)
2008-03-31 01:42 am UTC (link)
"The USPTO should lessen quality criteria that require review of a primary examiner's office actions, because the resulting lower allowance rate necessarily increases pendency. Basically, the author's point is that (1) resources (examiners) are being diverted away from examining and to reviewing other examiner's actions, and (2) the reviews are slowing the rate of allowances and thus prolonging prosecution (and so increasing pendency)."

"resulting lower allowance rate"?? "Allowance rate" does not mean "the amount of time it takes to get a patent". This argument seems to be saying that if the PTO would just stop being so picky, more patents would be allowed, and pendency would go down.

Yeah, that's it, just make allowances easier. It takes a lot less time to just allow the patent than to worry about all that "validity" stuff.

Does whoever wrote this really think that the extra time to answer whatever objections that QA comes up with has any significant impact on pendency?

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Ah FINALLY a solution is at hand !!!! (dripping with sarcasm)
(Anonymous)
2008-03-31 08:31 pm UTC (link)
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/speeches/08-10.htm

MBA Students Compete to Find Solutions to Agency’s Patent Pendency and Backlog

Yea, let's ask someone who doesn't have a clue as to how to solve this problem!

I say we (the readers on this site) form our own "team" . . seriously . . put together our elevator spiel, (because that's about how much time we'll have before being 86'ed) . . . and stop by the Marriott on the 28th and present our "solution".

I'm thinking along the lines of 10 claims EXAMINED, which include all independents. You can have as many claims as you want to pay for, but only 10 will be examined, so put your best foot/thought forward.

But what do I know, I don't have an MBA!

~signed,

Lacking an MBA

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Re: Ah FINALLY a solution is at hand !!!! (dripping with sarcasm)
(Anonymous)
2008-03-31 08:49 pm UTC (link)
I don't think your lack of an MBA will hold you back. You can get one online from the University of Phoenix in practically no time at all.

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Re: Ah FINALLY a solution is at hand !!!! (dripping with sarcasm)
(Anonymous)
2008-03-31 09:14 pm UTC (link)
PTO management has lost its collective mind. What idiot cooked this one up? I give up!

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OK maybe the MBA's could come up with something . . . - (Anonymous), 2008-03-31 10:06 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Ah FINALLY a solution is at hand !!!! (dripping with sarcasm) - (Anonymous), 2008-03-31 11:06 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Ah FINALLY a solution is at hand !!!! (dripping with sarcasm) - (Anonymous), 2008-04-01 08:23 pm UTC (Expand)
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Re: Ah FINALLY a solution is at hand !!!! (dripping with sarcasm) - (Anonymous), 2008-03-31 11:43 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Ah FINALLY a solution is at hand !!!! (dripping with sarcasm) - (Anonymous), 2008-04-01 02:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Le “continuation” règles sont morts.
[info]humbleagent
2008-04-01 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Adhérer au parti au http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2008/04/tafas-v-dudas-p.html

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